International Songwriters Association (ISA) Songs And Songwriting 
           Barry Mason Interview Part 1
  The impression is often given that during the sixties, the professional songwriter was made redundant - that the self-contained band (the ultimate example being The Beatles) and the singer-songwriter (the ultimate example being Bob Dylan) took complete control of the charts. But it isn't true.  The swinging decade was also a marvellous time for people like Mitch Murray, Peter Callander, Tony Hatch, Chris Andrews, Les Reed, Geoff Stephens, Don Black, John Barry, Roger Cook, Roger Greenaway, Hal Shaper and Tony Macaulay - all essentially non-performing, "backroom" songsmiths.  And there was Barry Mason.
            Born in Wigan and brought up in Blackpool, Barry Mason was always a 
            dreamer.  As a child, he loved songs and singers and show business, 
            and would stand on the busy Blackpool sea-front thinking how 
            wonderful it would be to be a singer or an actor.

            With school and national service over, he headed for the dreamer's 
            ultimate destination, Hollywood, where he spent three years without 
            making any real headway. 

            Back here, it was initially the same story. He was understudy to 
            Albert Finney at the Royal Court Theatre, he managed to wangle a 
            very brief appearance in the Finney movie "Saturday Night and Sunday 
            Morning", singing the big Adam Faith hit, "What Do You Want?", and 
            he had a short-lived spell in pop management.

            It was via management that he stumbled into songwriting and after a 
            couple of minor hits came a stream of very, very big ones. The 
            dreamer had found his niche.

            In the sixties, with Les Reed, he wrote "Here It Comes Again" (No.4 
            UK, No. 27 US), "I'm Coming Home" (2 UK), "Everybody Knows" (2 UK), 
            "The Last Waltz" (1 UK, 25 US), "I Pretend" (1 UK), "Delilah" (2 UK, 
            15 US), "Kiss Me Goodbye" (50 UK, 15 US), "Les Bicyclettes de 
            Belsize" (5 UK, 31 US), "Winter World Of Love" (7 UK, 16 US), and 
            "Love Is All" (12 UK, 19 US), and "Love Me Tonight" (9 UK, 13 US).

            In the seventies, he found new hit partners. With Tony Macaulay, he 
            wrote "Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes)" (1 UK, 5 US). With Roger 
            Green-away, he wrote "There Goes My First Love" (3 UK), "Can I Take 
            You Home Little Girl" (10 UK), "You Just Might See Me Cry" (2 UK), 
            and "Say You'll Stay Until Tomorrow" (40 UK, 15 US). With Lakis 
            Vlavianos, he wrote "When Forever Has Gone" (2 UK).

            It will not surprise you to learn that his songs have sold an 
            estimated 50 million records.

            You have a very illustrious track record, which I would naturally 
            like to talk about later on. But what are you working on at the 
            I've always got several projects I'm working on. I've got a couple 
            of shows in various stages of development; I've bought the 
            publishing to The Tics; which is a children's series on BBC Radio 5 
            - we hope to make that into an animated film; and I've just started 
            my own one-man show, where I go out with just a piano player and 
            sing bits of my hits, sing some new songs, but mainly chat, talk 
            about the story behind the songs, about my life: it goes down very 

            How many times have you done the one-man show?
            I've done about a dozen, I suppose. I did a little tour and I've 
            done a few for charity.

            What size audience do you play to?
            About 400 or 500. I'm also working on some songs in the studio at 
            the moment. I'm going to do an album for Europe. Some new songs and 
            some I've had in the drawer for a long time - not obviously 
            commercial ones, but ones I've always liked.

            Didn't you do an album once before, for Magnet Records, in the 
            That's right. I was glad to do it but it wasn't quite right. I was 
            trying to sell myself too much as a singer, I think, and I'm not a 
            singer at all, really - not as such. 

            I just love to interpret songs, to feel the lyric. I think I've got 
            the answer to the way I want to do it now. I'm a middle-aged man, so 
            I'm not looking for stardom; I'm looking for satisfaction. Just a 
            little album that might do well in Europe.

            Were the new songs written alone?
            No. Almost everything I write, ninety-nine per cent, is with 
            somebody and I find that great fun. You meet about this time in the 
            morning (10 a.m.), usually, have a cup of tea, chat, and then...

            Ease yourself into it?
            Absolutely right. One will say, "What have you got?" and one of us 
            will produce an idea. I'm good at getting verbal ideas. I might be 
            watching television and an old movie might be on, and they'll come 
            out with a line that might be a bit corny in the movie, but I'll 
            think, "Well that's a great idea for a song". And I'll make a note 
            of it. Or I'll remember a bit of a tune I've got in my head.

            You are mainly a lyricist, though, aren't you?
            Yes, but I like to contribute to the melody if I can. I have written 
            a few melodies in my time. The theme for "Midweek Sports Special" 
            (TV) - that's mine. Anyway, once we've agreed on an idea, we'll work 
            on it and in a day, the back of the song will be broken, although 
            the lyric may not be finished.

            Who are your current collaborators?
            My main collaborator is a guy called Henry Marsh - he used to be in 
            Sailor (successful mid-seventies band) - and we've been working for 
            a couple of years now. We've done this musical for America called 
            "Malibu", about a surfing band, we're working on this album I'm 
            doing for myself, and we're both representing a singer-songwriter 
            called Stephen Kane. We've signed his publishing and we're going to 
            produce his records.

            You have your own publishing company, obviously.
            Yes, Barry Mason Music.

            Do you have an administration deal?
            No, I do my own. I have a girl to help me and I put my own stuff in 
            it, mainly, but I've now got Stephen Kane in it.

            Didn't you used to have a company called Marksmen Music?
            That was with Mark McCormack (high powered American agent). His 
            company, IMG (International Management Group), used to handle my 
            financial affairs and we formed a publishing company together for a 
            while. Mark was the producer of a show called "American Heroes", 
            which I wrote with Don Gould and an American guy called Michael 
            Johnson, and which is the best thing I've ever been involved with - 
            and there's a story there. 

            Mark heard the demos for the show and said, "I want to put it on". 
            And he found us this big American millionaire named John to back it. 
            And John came to England, came to the studio, heard the songs and 
            said, "Yes, I'll finance it - no problem". So he flies us to 
            America, where we do a workshop, knocking the show into shape and 
            re-writing every night. 

            And the work-shop is directed by Tom O'Horgan, who did "Jesus Christ 
            Superstar" and "Hair" in America, and it costs $250,000. And we're 
            in the hotel one night, all set to open on Broadway, and we're 
            watching the news, and we suddenly see our backer with three members 
            of the FBI and a suitcase full of cocaine! It was John DeLorean, the 
            car man who got 32 million off of the British government! So we 
            almost had the first British musical to be financed by the British 

            Was there an album released?
            The album was another story. WEA paid us a fortune for it - it was 
            their number one project - and a week before it was due to be 
            released, WEA got done for chart rigging! So nobody would touch 
            their product. They couldn't sell a record!

            Isn't that the trouble with musicals? You spend so much time on them 
            and they may never get staged.
            Right, which is exactly why, last year, I decided to tackle a show 
            from that end of the problem - in other words, work out something 
            that would be very easy to put on and then figure out what to write. 
            So I started with the idea of no cast, no music, no set - and tried 
            to get as near to that as I could! And I came up with a one-woman 
            show called "Beryl", about this girl called Beryl Marsden, a singer 
            in Liverpool who's never really made it but has never stopped trying.

            A real person?
            Yes. She's an unsung hero to me. She's had the most amazing, 
            horrific life, terrible things happened to her in childhood, but 
            she's still out there, smiling.

            No relation to Gerry (Marsden, of Pacemakers fame)?
            No, but a contemporary of The Beatles and friends with them all. 
            She's in her middle forties now, but a lovely looking woman and a 
            wonderful singer. So we're trying to get that on in Liverpool at the 
            Playhouse or the Everyman next year.

            What, for you, is the big attraction of musical theatre?
            Well I've written so many pop songs and you hear them on record, you 
            hear them in lifts, you hear people singing them, and that's 
            wonderful, very satisfying. But it must be so much more satisfying 
            to be in a theatre, to see, say, a boy and a girl fall in love, to 
            suffer with them, then finally to see them sing a goodbye song as 
            they part. That must be the ultimate emotional experience. And 
            that's the sort of thing I want to do.

            Have you had a show staged yet?
            Yes. I did one called "Miranda", about a mermaid, an old story, 
            which ran at the Charter Theatre in Preston for ten days, and was 
            packed out, went very well. But I was in the middle of the "American 
            Heroes" thing at the time and I couldn't devote much attention to 
            it, so I just presumed that critics and producers and would-be 
            backers would go and look at it. But nobody did.

            So it never went any further?
            No, but if I did it now, I'd know better. I'd know you have to get a 
            limousine and take two or three of these lazy buggers up there, fly 
            them by helicopter or whatever, to see it. You can't rely on them 
            just to go.

            If  we could turn to records now - what recent covers have you had?
            I get a lot of stuff in America and the continent. Barbra Streisand 
            did "Why Let It Go" on her album which came out at the beginning of 
            last year ("Till I Loved You"). Then I had half the David Hasselhoff 
            album ("Looking For Freedom"), all new material - he's a huge 
            superstar in Europe and America (due to starring roles in the TV 
            shows "Knight Rider" and "Baywatch")

            Did that sell?
            Huge, massive. Three million. Then I wrote most of Engelbert's album 
            the Christmas before last, which did over a million in Germany and 
            Austria alone - all new material. Then he (Humperdinck) had a "Best 
            Of...." - I'm always getting those - which had about five of mine on.

            Who did you write the Streisand song with?
            Alan Hawkshaw. Then I had a thing called "G.I. Joe", which I wrote 
            with Simon Climie (of Climie-Fisher), done by a girl named Katja, a 
            Dutch girl who's quite big on the continent. And another called 
            "Don't Stay For The Sake Of The Children", which I wrote with Ed 
            Welch, a Dutch release with Julie Forsyth, Bruce Forsyth's daughter, 
            and Dominic Grant (who used to be in Guys 'N' Dolls) quite a lot of 
            things, really.